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TechTV press

Posted By On April 26, 2001 @ 10:44 pm In Blog | 33 Comments

Interesting article about TechTV on TelecomClick today. The “cable insider” sounds like he’s a little bitter, to me, but it’s otherwise fairly accurate.

Well except for the part about Paul Allen sending e-mail to the show hosts daily. He’s never sent even one e-mail to me. But, Paul, if you’re reading this, it’s leo@leoville.com.


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33 Responses to “TechTV press”

  1. Anonymous on April 26th, 2001 11:09 pm

    SCORE! The tech live poll is currently at 45% of the people liking it. That is very good, this means the over half of the people who have voted at least think there is room for improvement. Keep Voting, and maybe, just maybe, they could turn tech live in to less of a montrosity. :)

    -Jason

    /Never Underestimate The Power Of Stupid People In Large Groups/

  2. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 12:44 am

    dear leo i watch almost all of tech tv programming and i find it to be very informational. it helped me to build my own computer. but now i was wondering(this is not a comment sorry) how could i work at techtv?? i like journalism and i would do anything to do something with you guys, especially extenden play or the screen savers

    thanks!!!

    Michael Clark

  3. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 12:56 am

    Very cute kid Leo! Glad to see a Dad taking his daughter to work.

  4. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 1:40 am

    Michael Clark,

    Go to http://www.techtv.com/aboutus/workattechtv/story/0,23350,2146699,00.html to look for job openings at TechTV.

    Hope this helps,

    Joseph

  5. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 2:19 am

    Hmmmmm, I read the article and I have to say that I am getting Tech TV on my basic cable (analog) and that as far as the demographic they mention, i wonder if folks making in the high 70K salaries are really watching the channel. i see all sorts of folks on the netcams on Tech TV from young kids all the way up to older folks who may even be retirement age, so I think the demographic includes a huge range of viewers, I’m just not sure if they are the same as the people watching those financial channels all day. In any case, getting more carriage on analog “basic” cable should be seen as a plus. At least it is for me! (Watching faithfully on Comcast in Maryland.)

  6. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 2:31 am

    Here’s the url for the “do you like Tech Live” poll mentioned above by Jason P, go to this page and scroll down towards the bottom for the poll. I voted for bring back the re-runs, I am such a luddite. http://www.techtv.com/interact/

  7. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 2:40 am

    From TelecomClick:

    “TechTV wants to change that perception. Network executives want TechTV to be the channel for “digital lifestyle,” like MTV is for music and ESPN is for sports.”

    Wasn’t it like that “before” April 1st? It’s the shows like Call For Help and The Screensavers that target the “digital lifestyle”…not TV like MSNBC and others…I think TechTV messed up a good gig…

    Leo…I read in a previous “Blog” that you made a pitch for a new show…hope that works out for you. :)

  8. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 3:30 am

    I love tech-tv!! Leo, you kick ***. that man is bitter.

  9. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 3:37 am

    I read the article about TechTV. First let me tell you that I like the idea of TechTV expanding its format to approach more viewers, the only problem is that it is targeting white-collar men, in their late 30’s ivy league college educated. If you see one of those guys on the street and you ask him about Linux, XTML, WAN, LAN, he’d most likely answer, “are those tech stocks?” or “I have those in my portfolio” The majority of techtv’s audience is middle class, I see regular people on the show asking questions and making comments, and so far I have not seen one viewer wearing a $1,000 armani suit wearing 7 liters of Versacci cologne.

    TechTV has good programing, I like the idead of seeing the hosts everyday, talking and interacting with each other and with the audience. What I hate is that upper management, corporate, “we think this is the best for the network” kind of attitude. I think TechTV ought to look at their demographics when they get the Nielsen ratings and change a few things because I think they are missing their target market.

    Don’t get me wrong. I watch the channel all the time, I just don’t agree with the ideas management imposes and please get rid off that stupid stock ticker, it’s annoying.

  10. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 3:37 am

    I read the article about TechTV. First let me tell you that I like the idea of TechTV expanding its format to approach more viewers, the only problem is that it is targeting white-collar men, in their late 30’s ivy league college educated. If you see one of those guys on the street and you ask him about Linux, XTML, WAN, LAN, he’d most likely answer, “are those tech stocks?” or “I have those in my portfolio” The majority of techtv’s audience is middle class, I see regular people on the show asking questions and making comments, and so far I have not seen one viewer wearing a $1,000 armani suit wearing 7 liters of Versacci cologne.

    TechTV has good programing, I like the idead of seeing the hosts everyday, talking and interacting with each other and with the audience. What I hate is that upper management, corporate, “we think this is the best for the network” kind of attitude. I think TechTV ought to look at their demographics when they get the Nielsen ratings and change a few things because I think they are missing their target market.

    Don’t get me wrong. I watch the channel all the time, I just don’t agree with the ideas management imposes and please get rid off that stupid stock ticker, it’s annoying.

  11. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 4:19 am

    In responce to those who want the old zdtv back:

    I hate to break it to you but in my opinion it’s not going to happen. You have to ask yourself why zdtv was sold to paul allen in the first place. Was it because it was a huge commercial success with money comming in faster than they can count, or was it pretty much standing still without really going anywhere. I believe it most likely the latter. ZDtv did not really get into that many homes compared to alot of the other cable channels. Now the newly launched TechTV is trying to change that. A channel that is pretty much reruns until the evening was not going to cut it. I would bet money that TechTv has actually increased its viewership. Remember that TechTV is a buisness, they are here to make money. By adding TechLIve they are going to where the money is. Hey I actually watch it during the day now. I used to watch Fox News all day. Now I pretty much stick to TechTv unless something really news worthy happens and they I will switch back over.

    Furthermore to answer the previous posts assumption, no the pre-april 1st techtv was NOT the channel for the digital lifestyle. It only catered to a small portion of those people that would consider themselves in the “digital lifestyle”. The people that watch call for help are people who need help, or are relatively new to computers. Those people who are early adopters, IT professionals, computer scientists, are not really going to hear something on CFH that they don’t already know. Before the changes TechTv was pretty much a free 24 hour technical support channel. That is not going to cut it. It does not make for very intertaining television. I want to know what is happening in the tech world during the day. I want to see new products, both conceptual and those that are availble now. I want to know how the tech sector is doing finacially, which means stock qoutes. I want to hear something that I don’t already know. And I have got to say that I prefer the stock information from techlive much more than the moneymachine.

    Now there is definately room for CFH, TSS, and all the new shows that are being introduced. TechTV will only get better as they gain experience. Moreover for the poster who does not think that households which bring in more that 70k are watching. Well, my faminly brings in more than 70k and were watching. However you are probably not going to see those people calling in on the netcam. They most likely have the means to get their problems fixed else where. When someone in my parents circle has a problem they will call me (CS major @ Texas A&M) and ask me for help. More times than not they pay me whether I want the money or not. Hence the screen savers and techlive will atract them to watch much more than reruns of old shows will. That is what Advertisers are watching for.

    chuck

  12. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 5:03 am

    In responce to Andrew:

    Andrew, you are sorely mistaken if you think that the only people that invest in stocks are only white collar men with college educations. Just look at all the morons that invested in a lot of the dot com startups. 99% of the startups were based on some of the dumbest ideas ever. There was no chance they were ever going to succeed. During this time the market was pretty much a pyramid scheme, considering that the stock prices were not based on the actual perfomance of the companies in question. So trust me, there are alot of uneducated people involved in the stock market. Some may have armani suits some may not, their personal net worth has nothing to do with actual intellegence.

    Moreover, I’m 23 and assuming I do not decide to go to graduate school, I will soon be one of those college graduate white collar workers you speak of. If someone would come up to me on the street and ask me about linux, wan’s, etc.. I would have no problem explaining it to them in much more detail than you will ever hear on TechTV. So a word to the wise, don’t stereotype those people who invest in the stock market.

    In addition to that, when the neilson ratings come out, we will most likely find out that the article was right. That the target maket was not being reached with the old ZDTV, along with the fact that the average income for TechTV viewers is significantly higher than almost all other channels with exception to the golf channel. As a buisness this is great news for Techtv because it will give advertisers incentive to advertise and will put pressure on cable carriers to carry the channel. This is a good thing.

    If you go to the techtv message boards you will see multitudes of complaints. But if you look more closely you will notice it is the same small group of people complaining over and over again. As for the poll, 45% say they like the new look. 29% say there is room for improvement. From that You can extract that the majority of viewers are NOT, I repeat NOT longing for the old ZDTV – rerun format of old.

    Oh and keep the stock ticker.

    chuck

  13. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 8:08 am

    Some of what Chuck Shaw says I agree with to a point, but much it I don’t. ZDTV may have reached it’s limit as far as it could under that ownership, BUT there was enough of a growth there to catch Paul Allen’s interest in the network in the first place. Therefore, the little guys who were watching, calling in, evidently were giving ZDTV it’s value.

    Also, as Paul Allen owns a company called Charter Communations, which for those who are not familiar with it is a cable company, which is very widespread. He has the ability and has done so, to put techtv into far more households that ZDTV did as a stand alone channel. Therefore, given that fact, I do not think that any polls comparing the amount of viewers of the station pre-Paul Allen to post-Paul Allen can be considered a fair and accurate comparison. Post-Paul Allen there are going to be more people who watch simply because the station has been put into far more homes than it was as ZDTV. As for the average income of the Tech TV audience being significantly higher than that of most other channels, much of that I contribute to many people received techtv through other sources than the standard, more widely used, cable from their local cable. And most people who can afford the alternative services are yes, on the average, of higher income. But again, as ZDTV became more and more available on the publics standard cable, the viewer ship of the average guy increased.

  14. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 12:09 pm

    Frances B brings up a good point. Why did Paul Allen buy ZDTV? I think if you read the TelcomClick article again, the answer is there.

    “But TechTV executives point out that Allen is one of TechTV’s biggest fans. He sends e-mails to the executives and on-air personalities about the products he likes and dislikes almost daily.”

    This is quote is obvious. This man is NOT a broadcaster. A broadcast exec doesn’t send daily messages to the troops on his likes and dislikes. That type of info rarely if ever makes it that far down the line at a “real” broadcast company. The only time that happens is when you REALLY screw up. You never hear about Rupert Murdock doing stuff like that. That is why HE is the boss and he has minons below him. Is this to say that Mr Allen has no confidance in his people? Besides, this is very demoralizing for the troops and it makes them feel they are ALWAYS under the thumb of the man who pulls the trigger.

    If you read between the lines, Mr Allen wants a channel HE can watch with HIS preferences. I guess at diner parties, Mr Allen has quite a bit to say! “Well on MY network today we did…” I have no doubt Mr Allen is a good business man. Just look at what he has done, but broadcast history is littered with good business man with no broadcasting sense hitting the rocks and sinking. Broadcasting has instant reaction and tinkering with something everytime someone complains is a sure fired recipe for disaster. And having the “big guys” feedback everyday to everyone leads to “left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing”. It is a loop.

    I do hope Mr Allen comes to his business senses and lets the broadcasters play TV and he in turns collects the money, as it should be.

    The premise is a good one, but a little less CNBC on TechTV wouldn’t hurt any one!

    Charles

  15. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 2:46 pm

    When they started Tech Live they mentioned that they weren’t going to get a ratings book for the first year, that way the audience can come and go and in a year’s time they might have settled into their target audience. It amazes me when I see the kids calling in on netcams on TSS to ask about setting up home networking and overclocking, etc., they are amazing. Let’s say in 7 years or so will those same kids be tuning in to TechLive or anything like it? I think they will still try and watch TSS, but what if the audience Tech Tv has is 7-14 year olds, primarily? Will we have commercials for Capt’n Crunch on there instead of the latest BMW Road Hog? :^)

    EB

    BMW Road Hog is not an actual vehicle and is not available for purchase.

  16. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 5:42 pm

    First off I want to say, I like the stock ticker on TechLive, it should stay. And as far as ZDTV goes it was sucking in too much money why do they spend more now? ZD the company that owned ZDTV seemed to be selling off branches and elimating stuff around the time they sold ZDTV. Now they have opened zcast.tv No one is saying they want ZDTV they’re saying they want ZDTV’s style, you actualy felt like you knew the people there, you don’t anymore, they used to be more about the fans, and they still are, but it’s not the same. I’m not saying TechTV is bad, but it still has a ways to go before I watch it as much as I did ZDTV. TechLive should stay, it should just be shorter. What’s wrong with the tickers? They’re way better then the ones ZDTV used to use, I like the stocks and news I think it’s great. I miss seeing the chatroom at the bottom of the screen on The Screen Savers. That was always really cool to see yourself chatting on TV and to see what everyone else was saying. That’s one thing I would like to see come back is the chat scrolling.

  17. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 6:13 pm

    i just laughed at this

    “It was a terrible idea in the first place,” he says of the new channel. “Technology is pervasive, and people are very interested in it, but they don’t want to sit and watch it on television. It’s like saying that just because everybody has to eat that the best thing on television is about food.”

    DID anyone Heard of the TV Food Network?????

    Seriously in this 500+ Channel Universe there plenty room for niche type channels like techtv to survive and thrive in this market place. i am waiting for the day when The Screen Savers go Mainstream!!! on any given night on network prime time tv, there are too many news Magazine on the air. TSS would be a welcome change to the same old Dateline NBC numbness.

    http://techtv.2ya.com

  18. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 6:59 pm

    Am I the only person who finds it odd that the numbers on the “What do you think about TechLive?” poll havent changed in at least 3 days?

    I would expect some level of fluxuation.

    Also, while I’m not a fan of the stock ticker or of the chat bar that used to be under The Screen Savers, I understand that some people are.

    My real hope is that the network is able to grow and become what they want it to be, while still preserving what made it special in the first place.

  19. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 7:04 pm

    The stock ticker wouldn’t bother me so much if they only put it on every hour of half an hour. It just doesn’t need to be up all of the time.

  20. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 7:22 pm

    This is an off topic post but found an article and a link to an animation site that was made by a home schooled 14-year old.

    It has some parts with questionable matrial that would not allow this to air on TechTV.

    Still amazing…At 14 I was lucky if I could put my shoes on the right feet!

    This is the article inside there is the link to got the site.

    http://salon.com/audio/col/tech/2001/04/27/tech/index.html

  21. Anonymous on April 27th, 2001 10:43 pm

    Tech Live posted this phone number for comments on what you like/dislike about Tech Live, I am not sure how long this number will be good for this poll, but I am sure it is OK for the rest of today, Friday April 27th. (Remember this is about *Tech Live*, not for your other favorite Tech Tv shows.)

    888-989-7879

  22. Anonymous on April 28th, 2001 1:06 am

    Hmm….I think that is just the regular TechTV live call-in number. It appears to be the same number that they give out at the beginning of The Screen Savers and Silicon Spin, along with other shows which allow people to call in. I’ve never called it though, so maybe there is a menu of some sort when you call, like “To be on TV, Press 1! To comment on Tech Live, press 2! To order a pizza, press 3! For your free Leo Laporte giant foam Mardi Gras head, press 4!”

  23. Anonymous on April 28th, 2001 7:07 am

    I think an excellent point was made – it’s not ZDTV per say we want, or want back, it’s the concept, the style of the shows, the ‘homeyness’ of it. The tickers don’t have to take up nealy half the screen to be informative, do they? Nor do they have to be there every minute of the day. I’d compromise and not complain if they just ran them even every 15min. in not so intrusive manner.

    I think the questions on the tech tv poll are worded in a manner and the choices only given where it clearly leans the poll towards the new format. Naturally, none of us really want re-runs all the time but if you don’t like the new tech live format, even with improvements, the only option you have is do you want re-runs back? See what I mean about the poll being tilted to give results to favor the new format?

    The basic question comes down to one I think none of us can answer: Does Paul Allen really want a true tech network that the people will watch or does he just want a network which caters to his own preferences?

    Some of us are working on a project to present to tech tv heads. Hopefully, by the first part of the week we will be able to present everyone with a link to this.

    For the time being, those who are disatisfied with the new tech tv can link to here:

    http://boards.multicity.com/servlet/BoardView?action=2&boardid=650235534

  24. Anonymous on April 28th, 2001 11:11 am

    > The basic question comes down to one I think none of us can answer: Does Paul

    > Allen really want a true tech network that the people will watch or does he just

    > want a network which caters to his own preferences?

    You are doing the same thing you complain about with the poll. Who is to say a network that caters to his preferences is not a true tech network that people will watch.

    If TechTV is to truly grow and succeed, it needs to truly cater to all aspects of the digital lifestyle and not just those people who need tech support. You cannot please everyone, which means some people will always gripe about change. More people than not, want to have constant finacial information. That is part of the tech lifestyle. People want to know how the tech sector is fairing.

    As for the “homeyness”, the only place that really comes into play is on CFH. The reason for that is the people who watch that show are people new to the computer, or people who need help. The airy atmosphere of the TechLive set causes distractions. Other than that, I feel the TechLive set acually brings the audience in with the reuse of all the TechTV personalities and openess. You can see all the familar hosts in the background preparing for upcoming segments or their own evening shows. In addition to that the constant googing off and live unscripted comments, allow the hosts personalites to come out much more than some of their old shows ever did.

    Remeber that those people whom are satisfied with the new programming feel no need to get online and comment on it. So their are more people that don’t like the new format posting comments than people who like it. It makes it seem as if everyone is unhappy. From what I am observing their is a small but vocal minorty that doesn’t like the new TechTV. But hey thats just my opinion, I say we should just wait while they settle in and work out all the bugs.

    Chuck

  25. Anonymous on April 28th, 2001 3:03 pm

    Hmm . . . that article’s pretty accurate.

    The demographics they were given were totally laughable and hearing Drebin say that he wanted to “produce OR purchase biographies” shows how indecisive he is. There’s a big difference there. If you don’t know, don’t talk about it.

    Is it too harsh to say I’ll be smiling when Wangberg, Drebin and Gillespie have to find new jobs? It probably is, and however nice they may be, they still don’t know much about their market.

    Oh, well.

    Saturday!

    –Kris

  26. Anonymous on April 28th, 2001 11:37 pm

    Just a note if you call TechTV’s number, it’s Silicon Alley who does gives the voice menu (Press 1….) — I got through to The Screen Savers (by calling 20 minutes early) and I didn’t get on (despite the fact I had to sit there and not do anything for about 80 minutes — I had to go the bathroom too) they make you listen to whatever is on TechTV, but if you watch TV at the same time you hear it on the phone before it is on TV — that is weird to watch.

  27. Anonymous on April 29th, 2001 1:10 pm

    I’m personnaly not speculating on what Paul Allen’s preferences are regarding Tech TV. I’m referring to another post which stated Paul Allen’s preferences was to make Tech TV into an MSNBC/CNN/Bloomberg type of station which was directed at the major heads of tech companies, only. I don’t know what Paul Allen goals and preference are for Tech TV and don’t pretend to know. That’s what was stated Paul Allen wanted and THAT’s what I was commenting on. For all I know, Paul Allen may want it to be the tech bio channel or whatever. I was commenting on a comment.

    And if I’m not mistaken, isn’t Tech TV trying to project as it’s informal logo “You have questions, so do we. That’s why we’re here”. If that doesn’t indicate the intention to be see as a tech help station, I really don’t know what does. In additon, they’ve added a ‘e-mail us your question’ segement on Fresh Gear. Does that not, also, indicate they want to be seen as a tech help station?

    All I can say, is there were changes last week on tech tv, and this includes tech live. Some pretty subtle and some not quite so subtle, but not super major announced changes. As for the people who are disatified being a small but vocal group, you need to look at other tech tv sites than Leo’s blog. In addition to the changes which were made during the last week or so, are ALL, every single one, without exception, were changes which the disatifed said they wanted. If the disatified isn’t being listened to, even a little, this is a very amazing coincidence.

    Furthermore, I don’t know why tech tv has to be one or the other, why it can’t satisfied the desires of both segements of viewers. Our complain is that tech live is basically two hours, at best, of programming, stretched out into 9 1/2 loooooooonnnnnnnngggggggg boring hours. It’s not that we don’t want ANY serious financial programming, it’s that we don’t want it alllllllll day long and nothing but. That’s worse than the re-runs!!

    I don’t own stocks and probalby never will, but I do like to watch how the tech stocks are doing, especially given the shake up in todays tech companies. I’m anxious who will stay and who will go, who will merge, etc.

    Frances

  28. Anonymous on April 29th, 2001 5:14 pm

    In one way or another, by choice or by necessity, the ‘digital lifestyle’ is becoming – has become – a part of the average person’s daily life. I’m an average joe and I can give list ten ways, right off the top of my head, where the digital lifestyle is part of my life. It is not just part of the higher income segement of our population any longer.

    The big guys don’t NEED tech tv. They may enjoy it, but they don’t NEED it. Should it go away, I guarentee they aren’t going to clamor for it back. They’ll just shrug their shoulders and go on and forget about it. They can afford other options.

    The average joe NEEDS it – either out of necessity or desire, want/need to learn to work properly and maintain these items themselves. This is where the future of tech tv lies – where the NEED is, to be successful for the long term.

    They are sure to fail if they turn their backs to this fact. This is what Leo recongizes, what he has been trying to accomplish for years.

    And yes, those of us who are disatified with the new tech tv are very vocal. We have a right to be. They target their advertising to US, not the upper income. We have a right to expect tech tv to be what they advertise to us they are.

    We listen to their advertising because we NEED the concept of what ZDTV was, what tech tv is telling us they are. Some turn to tech tv just out of plain love for all things tech, some out of relief that now they had a place to turn where they could get help on the ‘digital lifestyle’ which is being thrust upon them, whether they choose or not, whether they resist it or love it. Regardless of the reason we turn there, we’re turnng there because of what they tell us they are.

    We’re determined to at least try to keep what we need, what we’re told tech tv is. Not in exclusion to all others, but in addition to. We can’t afford to pay someone every time our printer jams & we can’t find out why or when we install a new program and our computer keeps crashing even after we remove the program. We don’t want tid- bits, we want THE channel tech tv’s commericals claim to us they are – the place to turn for help and education on all things tech.

    Don’t tell us to turn to tech tv for help and then when we do we find it’s nothing like, or as is currently at best, a smidget of what their commericals state they are. That we have to sift through hours of repetition, our screens are 2/3’s taken up with stock tickers, etc. This is not what tech tv tells us they are,this is not what tech tv told us to turn to their channel for.

    Evidently, what their commericals tell us they are and what they are trying to be are two entirely different things, the only thing in common is the subject is tech.

    Tech TV evidently wants us there as they advertise to us. I don’t think we’re out of bounds to expect them to be what they tell us they are. Not draw us in telling tech tv is one thing and we tune in and find out it’s something entirely different from what they advertise to us they are. If tech tv is going to do that, then don’t advertise to us, advertise to the guy who wants the ticker taking up 2/3’s of his screen nine and a half hours a day and the same financial news repeated over and over during the day with a smidget of real tech info throw in. They DON’T say they’re the tech finanical channel, they say they’re the channel for the digital lifestyle, help and info for the digital lifestyle. The digital lifestyle emcompasses far, far more than the latest in tech news and the tech stocks.

  29. Anonymous on April 29th, 2001 7:32 pm

    Frances:

    1) The new format is attracting new advertisers and mostly bringing in more money than that of the old format.

    2) You don’t NEED it anymore than anyone else does regardless of income. If TechTV were to go out of buisness it would not be the end of the world. It is just a TV station.

    3.) CFH and TSS are still there, that is where all the tech support was being given. All they did was dump the reruns. Moreover there are still tss reruns at night and in the morning. While the market is open techlive caters to those that care about stocks. After the market closes the programing shifts back towards the format of old. They are trying to increase their viewership by creating a variety of programing. Lets be real, the old moneymachines show sucked. big thinkers is only intresting half of the time. Silicon Spin was good, and was TSS. I did not really watch CFH enough to comment. Internet tonight was lame. Cybercrime was ok sometimes, it seems that they were streching to find something to talk about sometimes though. Last but not least well maybe least was gamespot. Adam is a dork, it makes it really hard for me to sit through. I still have no idea why Kate moved over there or why the other girl left. I am going to guess that they wanted someone on the screensavers who knew more than Kate. Which is where patrick comes in. There were a lot of times when it look as if Kate was in over her head. Now Patrick on the other hand doesn’t have that problem. He seems to know more than leo to. That is all the shows they had. That is not going to cut it if you want cable carriers to carry you. The management did the right thing. It cut the dead weight and added a block to attract new customers. Which appears to be working.

    4.) Don’t assume all the subtle changes are because of some peoples comments. Remember this is a 1.0 release. It takes time to see what works and what doesn’t. I still think everyone should wait and see how this turns out over the long run.

    5) Everyone here is assuming that management is keeping leo down. It seems to me leo is unhappy that he had to let someone else host CFH. I can understand that, its like starting a buisness and then having to turn it over to someone else to run with more buisness experience. However ZDTV was pretty much leo tv. Now I know most people here want that back. From a business perspective however, that is not good. If he were to leave they would be screwed. I also would not be suprised to start seeing new people slowly start showing up as hosts. Management has to look at the long term not just what will make some people happy in the short term. This is not pbs, TechTV has to make money to survive.

    6) I think you may be misunderstanding the commercials incouraging you to ask questions. Freshgear is not her to show you how to fix something, or change settings. They are here to show you new products. If you have a question about some new product coming out, they want to know what product people want to hear about.

    CFH, and a little of TSS is where to get you tech support. That is the way it is before, and that is still the way it is now. Now i will give you the fact that CFH should either change back to the old set, or at least try to kill out some of the background noise/images that take away from the show. Plus the fact that TSS was bringing on all thouse guests when it did not have to. I think that they were worried that they might not be able to fill an hour and a half. I know your thinking “what”, but I am sure that it is much harder than it looks.

    My only real complain is the fact that martin is being wasted with that dumb list segment. Other than that TechTv really has not changed to the extreme somepeople think it has.

    If MTV only showed how to play music and fix intruments it would not have the success that it enjoys today. No matter how much you don’t want to except it, the same goes for TechTV. Remember it is TechTV not TechHelpTV.

    Chuck Shaw

  30. Anonymous on April 29th, 2001 11:40 pm

    Gosh, could it be possible, as well as more than highly likely, tech tv is bringing in more money, if in fact it is, because Allen owns a widely spread cable system, on which he, naturally, makes sure tech tv in on?! A resource ZDTV did not have. Yet was still making an impact on the tech world to be taken seriously. If one thinks not, one needs to look closely at web sites, software, advertisements to find how prevalent the term, though may not be exactly quoted, is essentially the same –approved by ZDTV – recommended by ZDTV. I see this far more than I do recommended by, approved by CNET, who has been around far longer than ZDTV was.

    Pardon? Who stated if tech tv ended it would be the end of the world? People have a life and wanting something which does make their life easier is not the same thing as not being able to live without it, and in that manner is how I used the term ‘need’. Never was the term ‘need’ used in any context that one would die without it nor was it ever insinuated in any way anyone would die without it. Goodness…. I need my dishwasher, I need my curling iron, I need my microwave, I ‘need’ lots of things but had I none of these things I ‘need’, I wouldn’t die without them! Let’s don’t over dramatize another’s words nor turn an intelligent difference of opinion into a personal attack.

    Many others truly enjoyed the programming. Because some did not enjoy it does not make the concept of the programs less viable. Yes, there were many reruns and many times the shows did seem to reach for content, but as was stated re tech tv, ZDTV was in TV years, a relative baby and was still finding it’s footing. No one has ever said there didn’t need to be changes and improvements in ZDTV. It’s been repeatedly stated it’s the concept which ZDTV was showing that people want, not specifically ZDTV itself. I hardly see where tech live is any kind of truly intelligent, innovative programming! It’s a clone of at least a half a dozen other stations out there, and a poor clone at that. The spiffy sets do not make up for content nor does spewing tickers and stock info all over your screen nearly nine and a half hours a day pass as intelligent innovative programming. Some may enjoy having this info available on tech tv, but it is not intelligent innovative programming. It’s simply “lets do what every one else is doing”. Yes, without question, there are some short segments during tech tv which are good, but these are far in the minority.

    There were TOO many stubble changes in TOO short a time, with TOO many changes being almost exactly what changes people have been asking for it to be mere coincidence. Maybe probable in part, but taken as a whole, definitely not likely. I agree that tech tv is still Version 1.0. THAT’S exactly why we’re asking for changes, because it IS version 1.0. Actually, I don’t think it’s even version 1.0, I think it’s still in beta stage.

    Goodness, one does like to misrepresent another’s words…no one EVER said Fresh Gear was asking for people to send e-mails asking how to fix things!

    > In addition, they’ve added a ‘e-mail us your question’ segment on Fresh Gear. Exact quote. Even showing, as well as asking to be shown, a new product, a new form of technology is a form of help, a form of assistance.

    And HOW can one misunderstand commercials which clearly encourage people to come to them for the answers!??! Repeat “you have questions, so do we, that’s what we’re here for.” Additional example – Leo’s voice in commercial – “just do exactly as I show you”. Computers being show getting smashed, thrown, etc out of frustration. Apparently, it must be over my head to fail to see that these are NOT commercials telling us to come to them for help, for the answers. Gosh, I really thought that’s what the commercials were saying…come to us for the answers, for help. Guess the message of those commercials has flow right over my head, sigh….once one gets past forty… sigh….

    OF COURSE putting on an hour and a half show is much harder than it looks. No one has ever said differently. It’s their job to make it look like a breeze! BUT trying to fill up an hour and a half with just zipping one segment, guest by after another was so lame. One felt like they were looking through a kids view master and clicking it as fast as they could. Zoom, zoom, zoom. Quantity does not make up for quality.

    I agree on the lame lists. Martin is far too intelligent and talented for them to waste him like this. I think this fits into the category of keeping everyone on cameras as much as possible, just plain ignore what their strengths/talents are, just put them on camera as much as possible! This is another BIG mistake tech tv is making. They have some EXCELLENT talent which they are not using to let each talent shine in their individual strengths, attraction. Again, as the over all theme of tech tv seems to be, in addition to trying to be a copy cat, QUANTITY not QUALITY.

    I disagree that Leo is simply upset because he had to give up CFH. That is far too simplistic, I think. What I get is this: Leo has a vision and the direction tech tv is being taken in is direct opposition to that vision and even possibly what they told him the direction they wanted to take tech tv in. It’s far deeper than simply having to give up a show one created. Tech TV could be to tech what the Food Network is re food, HGTV is to home improvement, what MTV is to music, what E! is to entertainment, etc. I think that what’s Leo’s vision is. To teach people about tech. To help people with tech. Again, the digital world is far wider than some financial news and running stock tickers by all day long.

    HGTV is a help channel, as is the food network. They can be considered the ‘tech support’ of their genre. Neither caters to the top professionals in their field and both are HUGE successes. Neither copied their format off of a half dozen other stations. Nor did MTV, although it can’t be categorized as a ‘help’ network. The point is, each has a specific audience, most with an audience which is across the board of incomes and age groups, there is still only a specific audience. Those stations understood that and developed their format and programming accordingly. And both have become well respected networks with clout.

    >I think that they were worried that they might not be able to fill an hour and a half. I know your thinking >what”, but I am sure that it is much harder than it looks.

    Personal insults are unnecessary when there is attempting to be an intelligent discussion of difference of opinion, difference in point of view.

    Therefore, as I added myself to this, I will also remove myself from this as I’m not going to take up Leo’s blog with personnal attacks. Each knows where the other stands, what their view point is and it’s time to graciously call truce and step out.

    Frances B.

  31. Anonymous on April 29th, 2001 11:40 pm

    Gosh, could it be possible, as well as more than highly likely, tech tv is bringing in more money, if in fact it is, because Allen owns a widely spread cable system, on which he, naturally, makes sure tech tv in on?! A resource ZDTV did not have. Yet was still making an impact on the tech world to be taken seriously. If one thinks not, one needs to look closely at web sites, software, advertisements to find how prevalent the term, though may not be exactly quoted, is essentially the same –approved by ZDTV – recommended by ZDTV. I see this far more than I do recommended by, approved by CNET, who has been around far longer than ZDTV was.

    Pardon? Who stated if tech tv ended it would be the end of the world? People have a life and wanting something which does make their life easier is not the same thing as not being able to live without it, and in that manner is how I used the term ‘need’. Never was the term ‘need’ used in any context that one would die without it nor was it ever insinuated in any way anyone would die without it. Goodness…. I need my dishwasher, I need my curling iron, I need my microwave, I ‘need’ lots of things but had I none of these things I ‘need’, I wouldn’t die without them! Let’s don’t over dramatize another’s words nor turn an intelligent difference of opinion into a personal attack.

    Many others truly enjoyed the programming. Because some did not enjoy it does not make the concept of the programs less viable. Yes, there were many reruns and many times the shows did seem to reach for content, but as was stated re tech tv, ZDTV was in TV years, a relative baby and was still finding it’s footing. No one has ever said there didn’t need to be changes and improvements in ZDTV. It’s been repeatedly stated it’s the concept which ZDTV was showing that people want, not specifically ZDTV itself. I hardly see where tech live is any kind of truly intelligent, innovative programming! It’s a clone of at least a half a dozen other stations out there, and a poor clone at that. The spiffy sets do not make up for content nor does spewing tickers and stock info all over your screen nearly nine and a half hours a day pass as intelligent innovative programming. Some may enjoy having this info available on tech tv, but it is not intelligent innovative programming. It’s simply “lets do what every one else is doing”. Yes, without question, there are some short segments during tech tv which are good, but these are far in the minority.

    There were TOO many stubble changes in TOO short a time, with TOO many changes being almost exactly what changes people have been asking for it to be mere coincidence. Maybe probable in part, but taken as a whole, definitely not likely. I agree that tech tv is still Version 1.0. THAT’S exactly why we’re asking for changes, because it IS version 1.0. Actually, I don’t think it’s even version 1.0, I think it’s still in beta stage.

    Goodness, one does like to misrepresent another’s words…no one EVER said Fresh Gear was asking for people to send e-mails asking how to fix things!

    > In addition, they’ve added a ‘e-mail us your question’ segment on Fresh Gear. Exact quote. Even showing, as well as asking to be shown, a new product, a new form of technology is a form of help, a form of assistance.

    And HOW can one misunderstand commercials which clearly encourage people to come to them for the answers!??! Repeat “you have questions, so do we, that’s what we’re here for.” Additional example – Leo’s voice in commercial – “just do exactly as I show you”. Computers being show getting smashed, thrown, etc out of frustration. Apparently, it must be over my head to fail to see that these are NOT commercials telling us to come to them for help, for the answers. Gosh, I really thought that’s what the commercials were saying…come to us for the answers, for help. Guess the message of those commercials has flow right over my head, sigh….once one gets past forty… sigh….

    OF COURSE putting on an hour and a half show is much harder than it looks. No one has ever said differently. It’s their job to make it look like a breeze! BUT trying to fill up an hour and a half with just zipping one segment, guest by after another was so lame. One felt like they were looking through a kids view master and clicking it as fast as they could. Zoom, zoom, zoom. Quantity does not make up for quality.

    I agree on the lame lists. Martin is far too intelligent and talented for them to waste him like this. I think this fits into the category of keeping everyone on cameras as much as possible, just plain ignore what their strengths/talents are, just put them on camera as much as possible! This is another BIG mistake tech tv is making. They have some EXCELLENT talent which they are not using to let each talent shine in their individual strengths, attraction. Again, as the over all theme of tech tv seems to be, in addition to trying to be a copy cat, QUANTITY not QUALITY.

    I disagree that Leo is simply upset because he had to give up CFH. That is far too simplistic, I think. What I get is this: Leo has a vision and the direction tech tv is being taken in is direct opposition to that vision and even possibly what they told him the direction they wanted to take tech tv in. It’s far deeper than simply having to give up a show one created. Tech TV could be to tech what the Food Network is re food, HGTV is to home improvement, what MTV is to music, what E! is to entertainment, etc. I think that what’s Leo’s vision is. To teach people about tech. To help people with tech. Again, the digital world is far wider than some financial news and running stock tickers by all day long.

    HGTV is a help channel, as is the food network. They can be considered the ‘tech support’ of their genre. Neither caters to the top professionals in their field and both are HUGE successes. Neither copied their format off of a half dozen other stations. Nor did MTV, although it can’t be categorized as a ‘help’ network. The point is, each has a specific audience, most with an audience which is across the board of incomes and age groups, there is still only a specific audience. Those stations understood that and developed their format and programming accordingly. And both have become well respected networks with clout.

    >I think that they were worried that they might not be able to fill an hour and a half. I know your thinking >what”, but I am sure that it is much harder than it looks.

    Personal insults are unnecessary when there is attempting to be an intelligent discussion of difference of opinion, difference in point of view.

    Therefore, as I added myself to this, I will also remove myself from this as I’m not going to take up Leo’s blog with personnal attacks. Each knows where the other stands, what their view point is and it’s time to graciously call truce and step out.

    Frances B.

  32. Anonymous on April 29th, 2001 11:49 pm

    I didn’t post this twice, honestly! It took forever to come up and when it did, it was there twice!

    Frances B

  33. Anonymous on April 30th, 2001 6:04 am

    Frances:

    The post does delay which makes it seem as if nothing is happening. I get the urge sometimes to hit the post button twice too.

    During a debate, if someone attacts you personaly it is because they can no longer find fault with your argument. I assure you this was not the case with me.

    1) you wrote need as NEED which when bold constitutes urgency.

    > I think that they were worried that they might not be able to fill an hour and a half. I

    > know your thinking “what”, but I am sure that it is much harder than it looks.

    There were no personal attacks there. Which is what you post insenuates(sp?)

    >There were TOO many stubble changes in TOO short a time, with TOO many

    >changes being almost exactly what changes people have been asking for it to be

    >mere coincidence. Maybe probable in part, but taken as a whole, definitely not

    >likely. I agree that tech tv is still Version 1.0. THAT’S exactly why we’re asking for

    >changes, because it IS version 1.0. Actually, I don’t think it’s even version 1.0, I

    >think it’s still in beta stage.

    I did not really notice that many changes but I will concede the point none-the-less.

    > Therefore, as I added myself to this, I will also remove myself from this as I’m not

    > going to take up Leo’s blog with personnal attacks. Each knows where the other

    > stands, what their view point is and it’s time to graciously call truce and step out.

    There were no personal attacks, hence their is no higher ground to assend to. I take offence to you implying that I am being unreasonable and that you are above it all. I urge you to revisit both out lasts posts and re-evaluate your interpretation.

    However this has run its course, so I will end this argument with this. The “digital lifestyle” is much more than just needing help because your printer jams. The digital lifestyle includes all those workers who recieved stock options to join startups. Who in turn want to know how they are doing in a real time bases. The digital lifestyle includes those people who want to know about the latest products. Those that are available now and those that are still only conceptual. The digital lifestyle includes those people who want to know about changes in the political landscape. What laws are going to affect the use of technology in the future. Such as the court cases involving napster and decss. The digital lifestyle includes those people such as myself who will soon be or are entering the Tech industry. People such as myself want a little more than CFH level help and windows tips. We want to know what the newest trends are in alternate operating systems and software and hardware development. This is just a small piece of the pie. If TechTV truly wants to be the channel for the digital lifestyle, it is going to have to cover all these areas, along with the shows that help people with general computing problems, and more. The old programming was only attending to a small segment, which Is what I think techlive was created to correct.

    Chuck Shaw

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